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PostSubject: Suggestions   Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:02 am

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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:01 am

For that pesky Chakra problem...just a suggestion



WARNING: The weaknesses and strengths listed here do not necessarily mean that all users of a particular chakra element will always beat or lose out to any other users of another element. Of course skills other than the applications of these elements go into a ninja battle and anyone can lose to anyone else if they aren’t careful… the weaknesses and strengths are rather defined here as the natural affinities of the elements and would basically be the result of forming each element into a ball and throwing them at eachother… creativity is what secures victory, the lack of which causes defeat in our forums threads… these elements are guidelines and are only to be used in the inspiration of bloodline limits for clans… NO NINJA CAN JUST WAKE UP WITH THE ABILITY TO USE THESE ELEMENTS…

Combustion, Neton (Fire + Fire): the combustion element masters the ability to burn given materials, wind users can’t face this element and hope to have a chance, in fact even normal water will not put out the flames created by this chakra, only a level two combination of water with another element can hope to dowse these flames… Weakest against Liquids, Strongest against Sound

Poison, Dokton (Fire + Wind): This Element is the potent combination of Fire then Wind that allows for the complete control of toxic gases and poisonous substances… the user creates them by burning the materials needed for recipes of death and uses wind to direct and funnel their smoke wherever they want… in it’s earlier stages it allows for thick clouds of gas, in it’s crueler higher skilled attacks can be invisible or otherwise detected too late after the victim is caught in the users clutches… weak against water then fire based chakras, but strong against wind then lighting based chakras… Strongest against Light, Weakest against Mist…

Plasma, Purton (Fire + Lightning): the “Element of the Sun” as it is refered to… it is a potent mix of Fire then Lightning chakra that allows one to create a substance that has the brightness and burning power to melt through most substances… burns from this substance are extremely painful and are not wholly healable for people who are lucky, or unlucky enough to survive an assault by users of this formidable element… It is rumored that this element is the end result of the Uchiha Bloodline’s abilities in chakra formation but that rumor is to date unconfirmed… weak against water then wind type charkas, but strong against wind then earth chakras… Strongest against Phasing, Weakest against Ice…

Magma, Maton (Fire + Earth): this chakra affinity allows the user to summon from the ground molten earth and control over the substances movements… this deadly fusion of Fire then Earth can create a landscape of ash and fire, but will fee water based charkra attacks if they get careless… weak against water then lightning attacks, strong against wind then water attacks… Strongest against Shadow, Weakest against Acid…

Steam, Joton (Fire + Water): This mixture of the forces of Fire then Water in chakra give the user ability to create clouds of vapor that are actually boiling hot… they can control geothermal upwelling and also manipulate the steam into forms allowing for potent and painful illusions… weak against water then earth attacks, strong against wind then fire attacks… Strongest against Flight, Weakest against Diamond…

Sound, Oton (Wind + Wind): The combination of wind then wind allows for the free control of air particles, creating, destroying or otherwise manipulating sound, regular flames will not work against sound as it is too powerful a force to stop with just a fire… only level 3 combinations that include Fire can hope to combat this formidable attack… Weakest against Combustion, Strongest against Magnetism

Light, Toton (Wind + Lightning): This balancing of wind then lighting energies, allows for users to alter the hues of the colors around them, create beams of light, and also electrocute enemies… the principle is by controlling wind and mastering the separation of different chemical elements of the air such as Neon for example, and then exciting that substance with electricity, one can manipulate, and create light energy… weak against fire then lightning charkas, strong against lightning then earth charkas… Strongest against Gravity, Weakest against Poison…

Phasing, Souton (Wind + Earth): This technique allows by controlling the molecules of substances for the free passing of persons or objects through other matter… by using both wind then earth chakra together one can control all of the particles of matter that make up their surroundings, and allows for interesting variations that include the Kaguya Clans ability to make the bones of their body grow and change their attributes, and another variation in the sound brothers Ukon and Sakon who can rematerialize themselves in one or two bodies at will… weak against fire then lightning, strong against lightning then water… Weakest against Plasma, Strongest against Storm…

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Shadow, Kagton (Wind + Water): this element comes from the ability of users to use control over the air and the transparency of it’s vapors to manipulate and control shadows… By mixing wind and water charkas one can create a link between their own and another’s chakra… the famous application is the Nara Clan’s Shadow Possession techniques that use shadows to bridge a link between them and a victim allowing for the control of movement… weak against fire then earth charkas, strong against lightning then fire chakra’s… Strongest against Radiation, Weakest against Magma

Flight, Hiton (Wind + Fire): This element is the mastery of the creation and control of hot air a.k.a. Thermals… by controlling winds and air temperature with chakra users of this element can use this ability to make flat buoyant objects fly, it allows for fatiguing and dehydrating wind attacks, and also this ability allows for the bending of light into genjutsu mirages… weak against fire then water attacks, strong against lightning then wind attacks… Strongest against Shock, Weakest against Steam

Magnetism, Jiton (Lightning + Lightning): The combination of lightning and lightning allows for the control of magnetic polarity of ions in the air, allowing the user to fight using attracting and repelling magnetic forces… wind will not affect magnetic forces without being fused with more elemental chakra to form a Level 2 combo… Weakest against Sound, Strongest against Metal

Gravity, Geton (Lightning + Earth): This element combines the powers of Lightning and Earth charkas to control the force of gravity and it’s effects on objects persons and the environment… controlling the very weight of everything is a potent weapon and can leave a victim flattened, disorientated, and in worst case utterly helpless… Our forums own Soratodai have the corner on this element, but the Koumori also seem to have this ability as well… weak against wind then lightning chakras, strong against earth then water chakras… Strongest against Plantlife, Weakest against Light…


Storm, Araton (Lightning + Water) the abilities granted by mixing an electric field and water is of course weather control, this chakra ability can shape and control storm clouds, it can also alter pressures, temperatures, and compositions of the air… weak against wind then earth chakras, strong against earth then fire chakras… Strongest against Phasing, Weakest against Glass…

Radiation, Houton (Lightning + Fire) by combining Lightning then Fire chakras this element controls the heat and reactivity of substances at the molecular level, by controlling the heat and particle transfer at the subatomic level users of this element use subtle but powerful attacks that in their early stages fatigued and or sterilize victims, in their highest and most unstable stages create reactions of cataclysmic proportions… it is rumored that Chakra Absorbers are of this elements affinity… weak against wind then water chakras, strong against earth then wind chakras… Strongest against Sand, Weakest against Shadow…

Shock, Kyoton (Lightning + Wind) this element controls the positive or negative charge in opposing bodies of energy and create static charges… this of course can be used to channel electricity more effectively, but also allows for more subtle and more interesting variations… … at any rate all applying the ability to control the charge and flow of energy is key in this element… weak against wind then fire chakra, strong against earth then lightning chakra… Strongest against Explosion, Weakest against Flight…

Metal, Kinton (Earth + Earth): Adding earth chakra with more earth chakra will allow the user to create and manipulate different forms of metal… you’d think that a normal blast of lightning chakra would be enough, but metal users are immune to level 1 lightning chakra, they ground it before ever being affected… it takes a combination of lighting chakra and a fusion of more chakra into a level 2 element to combat this element… Weakest against Magnetism, Strongest against Liquids

Plantlife, Mokuton (Earth + Water): the user that correctly molds earth then water chakras gains the ability to control, grow or otherwise generate plantlife… the most prevalent application of this fusion was the first Hokage and his manipulation of wood… but even with the extinction of that specific ability, there are plenty of other variations still left in the world… weak against lightning then earth chakra, strong against water and fire chakra… Strongest against Steam, weakest against Gravity…

Glass, Gaton (Earth + Fire): users who can fuse earth and fire can create molten or solid forms of glass… skill levels of lesser users can only create shards of it that in either liquid or solid state try to cut or burn the victim, but higher level users can create solid forms of Obsidian… weak against lightning then water chakras, strong against water then wind chakras…Strongest against Ice, Weakest against Storm…

Sand, Saton (Earth + Wind) the ability to manipulate sand is given by users who can mold earth and wind into one element… this ability is not only given in the Kazekage’s clan… lesser users can manipulate dust clouds highest skilled shinobi can use metallic sand to fight with… weak against lightning then fire chakras, strong against water then lightning chakra… Strongest against Acid, Weakest against Radiation…

Explosion, Baton (Earth + Lightning): Fusing Earth chakra then Lightning chakra forms the ability to create and form explosions out of clay, phosphor, nitroglycerin and other volatile substances… This ability is idealized in the shows staple demolitions expert Deidara who can mold explosive clay into living objects and produce concussive and bombarding forces with them… weak against lightning then wind chakras, strong against water then earth chakras… Strongest against Diamond, Weakest against Shock…

Liquids, Ekton (Water + Water): fusing two chakras with water energy together forms a chakra that can control any liquid, fire users beware this power allows for the control of not only the water that can extinguish flames but also the fluids that fuel fire as well allowing for control of virtually any liquid known to exist, only level 2 fusions of chakra that contain earth chakra can combat this element with any efficiency…Weakest against Metal, Strongest against Combustion

Mist, Kirton (Water + Fire): This element comes from the ability to use water then fire chakra the heat water so that it evaporates into the air beyond the dew point of the air around the user to create mist that blinds and confuses the enemy… This technique is idealized in the show by the rogue ninja Zabuza, who uses mist to try and combat Kakashi’s Shaaringan Eye… other people have made interesting variations of this unique ability… notably Kumiko of Raikou can create a mist that absorbs chakra from her foes… but regardless of the traits of mist, most fog and mist based attacks are based off of this element… weak against earth then water, strong against fire then wind… Strongest against Poison, Weakest against Plantlife…

Ice, Hyoton (Water + Wind): Water then Wind Shakra together produce the secret element of Ice… frozen water that can be molded shaped and used in combat… Haku, Zabuza’s right hand companion used his bloodline ability to form his patented “Crystal Ice Mirrors”… This element has some other variations in application but all has to do with the ability to cool and calm the temperature… weak against earth then fire, strong against fire then lightning… Strongest against Plasma, Weakest against Glass…

Acid, Saton(Water + Lightning): Water then Lightning chakra utilizes the chemical properties of inert and dissolved chemicals in water to create Acidic and Basic chemicals… using them can be a potent and deadly art… In the show Tsunade’s most powerful summon Katsuyu can use this element proficiently… weak against earth then wind, strong against fire then earth… Strongest against Magma, Weakest against Sand

Diamond, Naton (Water + Earth): Water then Earth chakra mastery allows one to form and use crystalline minerals such as diamonds and use them in battle… basic forms can use sharp projectile minerals and protective armors… advanced users can use other tricks like creating lazars out of sunlight, weapons with razor sharp crystal blades, and lastly the ability to petrify, fossilize or otherwise solidify liquid based objects and substances… weak against earth then lightning chakras, strong against fire then water chakras… Strongest against Steam, Weakest against Explosion…
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:30 pm

Um, my idea is that we should add two subdivisions to ANBU. Or possibly three? That way when someone becomes ANBU they would join one of the Sub divisions and that would be the thing they specialize in and the missions they go on.

The sub divisions that I am proposing are:

Intel. : This subdivision would focus on gathering important information, espionage, infiltration things like that. They would probably plan strategies and track important figures. Anything that would be important to know for the safety of the Village they would deal with.

Torture : This subdivision would focus on questioning prisoners or other detained people. They would be given the task of getting important information from people. This doesn’t always have to be through physical torture, as this subdivision could be very subtle in its uses. A common miscoception is that they would only question enemies. I believe that these ANBU would also be utilized to question civilians or other ninja since they would have the best skills at getting clear and concise reports.

Assassination : This subdivision would focus on quickly and quietly taking out powerful, important and otherwise dangerous targets. They would be the best of the best in this area.

There would probably be a guard subdivision too if we’re thinking realistically. People who specialize in guarding and protecting people, shipments things like that. You know, like the Hokage’s guards?
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:41 pm

Well, I’m partially bored and partially inspired so here are several ideas that go along with my first one. Sakon-san is responsible for the general idea of all ranks having subdivisions. So here are some random ideas.

Academy Students: I don’t really think that they should have subdivisions unless we want to divide them by average, better than average and horrible. XP Maybe they could get a grade like that from their teacher or something after graduating.

Genin: (Genin are only just starting to become individuals and learn what they like and what they’re good at. Thus they wouldn’t have very many subdivisions, since they still don’t know all that much.)

Taijutsu users: Genin who use Taijutsu more-so than other techniques. They are skilled in the act of Taijutsu and know more about it than the average Genin.

Genjutsu users: Genin who use Genjutsu more-so than other techniques. They are skilled in the act of Genjutsu and know more about it than the average Genin.

Ninjutsu users: Genin who use Ninjutsu more-so than other techniques. They are skilled in the act of Ninjutsu and know more about it than the average Genin.

Kenjutsu users: Genin who use Kenjutsu more-so than other techniques. They are skilled in the act of Kenjutsu and know more about weapons and their uses than the average Genin.

Chuunin: (Chuunin should have by this time expanded their knowledge and realized what they’re skilled at. Chunnin is the average rank a shinobi achieves, and thus the subdivisions are a little broader than Genin’s and more focused on jobs.)

Academy teachers: These Chuunin work at the Academy and teach students. They help protect the children and civilians in case of an attack, but their main duty is to teach the newer generations and get them ready for their responsibilities.

Guards: These Chuunin guard the Kage and the Village. They do menial tasks like getting files along with guarding the Kage’s office and the Village gates. They are the ones who allow travelers in and out of the Village.

Active Chuunin: These Chuunin mainly go on missions. (This should be expanded.)
- Active Chuunin Captain: This is a subdivision of the active Chuunin’s. Chuunin in this subdivision would lead the normal Chuunin and be squad captains. They would have to be skilled in strategy and things like that.

Medic Nin: These Chuunin are the lowest ranked medic nin. They generally work out in the field along with teams but they also work as nurses in the hospitals.

Hunter-nin: These Chuunin focus on chasing after and killing renegade ninja from their Village. At this rank they would focus on Chuunin ranked missing-nin.

Special Jounin: (They specialize in many aspects of the shinobi trade.)

I would propose that players could come up with a custom specialization when they attain this rank. Since characters vary, it would be narrow minded to just list a small set of skills that someone could specialize in. Their choice would have to be logical, taking into thought their character and it would have to be approved by an mod/admin.

Some examples of this being: One specific weapon, a certain element, disguise, analyzing situations, research, a certain form of Taijutsu. Really, people could be very creative in this situation.

Jounin:

Jounin sensei: These Jounin are the leaders of a 3 man team made up of Genin. They teach the Genin and try to get them to Chuunin rank.

Medic Nin: These Jounin are the skilled medic nin. They work as doctors in the hospitals and also as field operatives.

Hunter-nin: These Jounin are skilled in finding and killing missing-nin from their Village. They would focus on Jounin level missing-nin.

Active Jounin: These Jounin mainly go on missions.
- Active Jounin Captain: These Jounin act as squad leaders. They would have Jounin level skills along with great strategic and leadership skills.

Elite tutors: These Jounin would specialize in teaching others. They would be more skilled at teaching then normal Jounin sensei but they would not have a team as sensei’s do.

ANBU: These Jounin would be the best out of all the Jounin in the Village.
-Intel. : This subdivision would focus on gathering important information, espionage, infiltration things like that.
-Torture : This subdivision would focus on questioning prisoners or other detained people.
-Assassination : This subdivision would focus on quickly and quietly taking out powerful, important and otherwise dangerous targets. They would be the best of the best in this area.

Kage: I have no idea to be honest.

Missing Nin: Whatever rank they were in their Village.

Akatsuki: Again no idea.

I suppose that there would also be decoders but I couldn’t think of where to fit them. Please note that these are just basic basic descriptions.
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:46 am

Okay, I’ve been thinking. And I’ve come to the conclusion that this jutsu is just plain idiotic:

Akiro Hakusan wrote:

Jutsu Name: Kai
Jutsu Rank: E
Element: non
Jutsu Type: Genjutsu
Description: A jutsu that destroys/cancels out an illusionary jutsu attempted on the user.

http://jinchuuriki-warfare.darkbb.com/jutsu-completion-f51/akiro-s-jutsu-s-approved-jo-t30.htm

First off, any site that you look at for this jutsu will talk about how hard this jutsu is and how the user must have very, very good chakra control. Second, this jutsu doesn’t work on all Genjutsu. Only up to a certain level.

Now the fact that it was accepted as an E rank is totally ridiculous. A really hard jutsu to use should not be an E rank, which implies that Academy students could use it successfully. We were shown in Naruto that not even all the ninja at the Chuunin Exams could use this jutsu, and definetly not all the Academy Students.

If it is an E rank, how is it supposed to be able to dispel an S rank, which at the moment the description says that it can? I think that this jutsu needs to be rethought out and changed. It’s illogical and unfair.

Besides, this is the lesser form of dispelling a Genjutsu. It shouldn’t work on all illusionary jutsu.

My suggestion is that you up the rank and it only works on those ranked jutsu that fall under the rank of the jutsu. At least make it a C rank.

Another random note, this jutsu should only work on a Genjutsu that you know is being used. Some Genjutsu are obviously Genjutsu, but if you don’t know you’re in a Genjutsu than you shouldn’t be able to cancel it. Some players use out of character information, I’ve seen it before, and it’s annoying.

Genjutsu in theory is already pretty weak, we don’t need easy low CK cost jutsu like this one making them even weaker.
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:13 am

You've hit the nail right on the head with this, a very very good point. Jutsu's like this one or others such as 'Body Flicker' may be ranked pretty low. In my opinion tho, they should only have as much power as the user. The Kai jutsu is simply a way to channal the user's own chakra into a specific point which theoreticly would cancel the Genjutsu. However although an Academy student may be able to learn the jutsu would they be able to perform it, even if they could would it reach it's full potential..Oh no, not at all. I think it's safe to say some jutsu can be learnt but are only as good as the person who ues's them. This topic is intresting tho, i'd like to hear more thoughts on this...
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:17 am

What if... Hm. We could tailor this jutsu, to the person using it.

So whatever rank they are, they can cancel either that rank and below Genjutsu or just the ranks below their rank Genjutsu.

The CK cost would be whatever rank Genjutsu they're canceling is?

This isn't taking into account people's chakra control or things like that....

I don't know, my main problem is that it's to easy of a fix for something that makes whole characters useless. Taijutsu and Ninjutsu are not so easily dealt with. We need to somehow balance out Genjutsu so there's an actual reason to use it over the others.
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:31 am

I like your pitch it's very understandable, of course on this forum were going to do somethng about it! Everything needs to be as fair as possible, so...I've got two things in mind, i'll list below. (At the moment these will just be basic outlines please don't become haters xD)

1> We create a post 'Law of Genjutsu' or something like that, it's basic points will be to outline the correct use of Genjutsu and the fact that you can't meta-game (know things OOC) against it. At the end of the day it's down to the Role Players, some are more understanding then others but with this to help aid in the defence against Genjutsu haters.

2> The jutsu 'Kai' & 'Body Flicker' along with others that may appear will be added to a list of jutsu, their power will be regulated due to the user's level. Therefore the Jutsu such as Kai would only be able to stop Genjutsu that the user had already encountered before OR Genjutsu that have the power of any rank below the 'Kai' user.
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PostSubject: Re: Suggestions   Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:35 am

I like this idea. A lot.

It makes sense. ^__^
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